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john

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:48 am
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Kinda makes you wonder what kind of junk they're building these days.


"Consumer Reports, the widely respected arbiter of quality and
reliability, urged customers not to buy the 2010 Lexus GX460 because
it may roll over in certain situations based on tests by the
magazine's automotive test drivers.

This is the first time the magazine has issued a "don't buy"
recommendation on any Toyota, Lexus or Scion vehicle."

http://www.freep.com/article/20100413/BUSINESS01/4130334/1331/Consumer...ports-L

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FatterDumber& Happier Moe

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:13 am
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john wrote:
> Kinda makes you wonder what kind of junk they're building these days.
>
>
> "Consumer Reports, the widely respected arbiter of quality and
> reliability, urged customers not to buy the 2010 Lexus GX460 because
> it may roll over in certain situations based on tests by the
> magazine's automotive test drivers.
>
> This is the first time the magazine has issued a "don't buy"
> recommendation on any Toyota, Lexus or Scion vehicle."
>
> http://www.freep.com/article/20100413/BUSINESS01/4130334/1331/Consumer...ports-L
>

I'm beginning to think there just might be something to the
conspirators' theory that someone is out to "get" Toyota.
Gov't, UAW, and banksters with financial interests in the new GM can
pull a lot of levers and push a lot of buttons when they want to.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:56 am
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On Apr 14, 12:13 am, FatterDumber& Happier Moe
wrote:
> john wrote:
> > Kinda makes you wonder what kind of junk they're building these days.
>
> > "Consumer Reports, the widely respected arbiter of quality and
> > reliability, urged customers not to buy the 2010 Lexus GX460 because
> > it may roll over in certain situations based on tests by the
> > magazine's automotive test drivers.
>
> > This is the first time the magazine has issued a "don't buy"
> > recommendation on any Toyota, Lexus or Scion vehicle."
>
> >http://www.freep.com/article/20100413/BUSINESS01/4130334/1331/Consume...
>
>   I'm beginning to think there just might be something to the
> conspirators' theory that someone is out to "get" Toyota.
>   Gov't, UAW, and banksters with financial interests in the new GM can
> pull a lot of levers and push a lot of buttons when they want to.

"get " toyota! the 4 runner didnt do it and its the same frame. CR has
squashed a few Suvs in the past years from Rollover potential. "Get
Toyota" get a life, toyota im sure knew this and again doesnt do
anything. By not doing anything, they Save Mo Moneeey. Just like the
fix production Prisus and dont notify any one of any problems. That
16,000,000 fine was 16 because thats the max that can be fined
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:57 am
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On Apr 13, 10:48 pm, john wrote:
> Kinda makes you wonder what kind of junk they're building these days.
>
> "Consumer Reports, the widely respected arbiter of quality and
> reliability, urged customers not to buy the 2010 Lexus GX460 because
> it may roll over in certain situations based on tests by the
> magazine's automotive test drivers.
>
> This is the first time the magazine has issued a "don't buy"
> recommendation on any Toyota, Lexus or Scion vehicle."
>
> http://www.freep.com/article/20100413/BUSINESS01/4130334/1331/Consume...

The real issue is Im sure the boss knew, so again they use the dont
tell policy.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:14 am
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The computer is slow to kick in and control the vehicle. Seems there
is a computer problem with the acceleration and braking problems also.
And my kamikazee kar kicks in slow when I floor it. Anyone see any
pattern here? Well, I am asking about a pattern with the computer
thingies. The pattern of Japanese warfare against the world is very
clear, of course. Remember that the Japanese claim that Business is
war, so this old traditional emire oriented family is engaged in war.
Hmmm ... computer as weapon?
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:25 am
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john wrote in


> Kinda makes you wonder what kind of junk they're building these days.
>
>
> "Consumer Reports, the widely respected arbiter of quality and
> reliability, urged customers not to buy the 2010 Lexus GX460 because
> it may roll over in certain situations based on tests by the
> magazine's automotive test drivers.
>
> This is the first time the magazine has issued a "don't buy"
> recommendation on any Toyota, Lexus or Scion vehicle."
>
> http://www.freep.com/article/20100413/BUSINESS01/4130334/1331/Consumer-
> Reports-Lexus-GX460-risk
>
>
Hmm. Interesting. A SUV that could roll over if it's driven hard. Who'd
have known? Sorry, but without a whole bunch of driving controls such as
stability control turned on, it can happen with any SUV if anyone drives
enough like an idiot..


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aemeijers

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:31 am
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FatterDumber& Happier Moe wrote:
> john wrote:
>> Kinda makes you wonder what kind of junk they're building these days.
>>
>>
>> "Consumer Reports, the widely respected arbiter of quality and
>> reliability, urged customers not to buy the 2010 Lexus GX460 because
>> it may roll over in certain situations based on tests by the
>> magazine's automotive test drivers.
>>
>> This is the first time the magazine has issued a "don't buy"
>> recommendation on any Toyota, Lexus or Scion vehicle."
>>
>> http://www.freep.com/article/20100413/BUSINESS01/4130334/1331/Consumer...ports-L
>>
>>
>
> I'm beginning to think there just might be something to the
> conspirators' theory that someone is out to "get" Toyota.
> Gov't, UAW, and banksters with financial interests in the new GM can
> pull a lot of levers and push a lot of buttons when they want to.
>

Get real. CR may be idiots, but they kiss ass to nobody. No advertising,
no govt subsidies, no nothing. They lost all credibility for me on
vehicle tests a long time ago. At least they didn't use those silly
outriggers that changed the CG, this time.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:10 pm
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On 4/13/2010 5:48 PM, john wrote:
> Kinda makes you wonder what kind of junk they're building these days.
>
>
> "Consumer Reports, the widely respected arbiter of quality and
> reliability, urged customers not to buy the 2010 Lexus GX460 because
> it may roll over in certain situations based on tests by the
> magazine's automotive test drivers.
>
> This is the first time the magazine has issued a "don't buy"
> recommendation on any Toyota, Lexus or Scion vehicle."
>
> http://www.freep.com/article/20100413/BUSINESS01/4130334/1331/Consumer...ports-L
>

What's the big deal? Anybody that purchases a truck-based, high center
of gravity vehicle increases his chances for dying in a roll over
accident. This has always been the case. Don't buy any SUV unless you're
willing to accept that risk.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:32 am
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On 4/18/2010 2:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 4/13/2010 5:48 PM, john wrote:
>> Kinda makes you wonder what kind of junk they're building these days.
>>
>>
>> "Consumer Reports, the widely respected arbiter of quality and
>> reliability, urged customers not to buy the 2010 Lexus GX460 because
>> it may roll over in certain situations based on tests by the
>> magazine's automotive test drivers.
>>
>> This is the first time the magazine has issued a "don't buy"
>> recommendation on any Toyota, Lexus or Scion vehicle."
>>
>> http://www.freep.com/article/20100413/BUSINESS01/4130334/1331/Consumer...ports-L
>>
>>
>
> What's the big deal? Anybody that purchases a truck-based, high center
> of gravity vehicle increases his chances for dying in a roll over
> accident. This has always been the case. Don't buy any SUV unless you're
> willing to accept that risk.

Are you serious? LITERACY isn't a requirement for a drivers license. You
really think center of gravity or truck-based or dying or risk register?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:32 am
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On 4/18/2010 5:32 PM, homey wrote:
> On 4/18/2010 2:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 4/13/2010 5:48 PM, john wrote:
>>> Kinda makes you wonder what kind of junk they're building these days.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Consumer Reports, the widely respected arbiter of quality and
>>> reliability, urged customers not to buy the 2010 Lexus GX460 because
>>> it may roll over in certain situations based on tests by the
>>> magazine's automotive test drivers.
>>>
>>> This is the first time the magazine has issued a "don't buy"
>>> recommendation on any Toyota, Lexus or Scion vehicle."
>>>
>>> http://www.freep.com/article/20100413/BUSINESS01/4130334/1331/Consumer...ports-L
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> What's the big deal? Anybody that purchases a truck-based, high center
>> of gravity vehicle increases his chances for dying in a roll over
>> accident. This has always been the case. Don't buy any SUV unless you're
>> willing to accept that risk.
>
> Are you serious? LITERACY isn't a requirement for a drivers license. You
> really think center of gravity or truck-based or dying or risk register?

Sure, you need to be able to read to get a license. Not only that, my
guess is that folks ought to be able to put 2 and 2 together.

My understanding is that Toyota is gonna fix that nasty rollover problem
by the use of more airbags. Of course, they're on the outside of the
vehicle. Smile
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:16 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:16 pm
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On 4/23/2010 1:16 PM, me wrote:
>
> The key point is that the Lexus is more likely to roll over than
> comparable vehicles - not that high COG vehicles are more likely to
> roll over (which they are).

My key point is that these high COG truck-based vehicles are more likely
to roll over. If that's a problem for you, don't buy one. Who cares if
one is worse than the others? It don't make the other vehicles any safer.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:04 pm
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:04 pm
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On 4/25/2010 5:04 AM, me wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:23:21 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/23/2010 1:16 PM, me wrote:
>>>
>>> The key point is that the Lexus is more likely to roll over than
>>> comparable vehicles - not that high COG vehicles are more likely to
>>> roll over (which they are).
>>
>> My key point is that these high COG truck-based vehicles are more likely
>> to roll over. If that's a problem for you, don't buy one. Who cares if
>> one is worse than the others? It don't make the other vehicles any safer.
>
> Some people actually NEED a utility "truck" that's high off the road
> (maybe 1% of SUV buyers). The rest of SUV buyers WANT an SUV, and are
> apparently unconcerned or ignorant of the COG issue and other inherent
> deficiencies in an SUV design. For all of them, it's useful to know
> that the Lexus is less stable than comparable vehicles.
>

Apparently you're unconcerned or ignorant of the fact that you're twice
as likely to have a fatal rollover accident in an SUV than a car. What's
your point? That you're safer driving an Escalade? That's real logical.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:15 pm
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"dsi1" wrote in message

> On 4/25/2010 5:04 AM, me wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:23:21 -1000, dsi1
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/23/2010 1:16 PM, me wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The key point is that the Lexus is more likely to roll over than
>>>> comparable vehicles - not that high COG vehicles are more likely to
>>>> roll over (which they are).
>>>
>>> My key point is that these high COG truck-based vehicles are more likely
>>> to roll over. If that's a problem for you, don't buy one. Who cares if
>>> one is worse than the others? It don't make the other vehicles any
>>> safer.
>>
>> Some people actually NEED a utility "truck" that's high off the road
>> (maybe 1% of SUV buyers). The rest of SUV buyers WANT an SUV, and are
>> apparently unconcerned or ignorant of the COG issue and other inherent
>> deficiencies in an SUV design. For all of them, it's useful to know
>> that the Lexus is less stable than comparable vehicles.
>>
>
> Apparently you're unconcerned or ignorant of the fact that you're twice as
> likely to have a fatal rollover accident in an SUV than a car. What's your
> point? That you're safer driving an Escalade? That's real logical.
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One has to learn to drive the vehicle they have, in a safe manner. If that
means going around the corner at 5 mph...that's the way it is. Same as
driving a truck loaded with cargo that can possibly shift. It is not
possible to "idiot proof" vehicles.
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